This pair of draft related bills still sit under review by the Pentagon and Senate Armed Forces Commitee. There has been no indication that they will pass. The problems should be obvious. Take a look below I've included a summary of the H.R.163 bill
They could turn up again in 2005. if any one knows any thing, definite, please post a comment.
On way to win this is to support Iraqi people, And get involved in this troubled nation.
Americans should be there to help. and we can only win peace with peaceful offerings.
We can beat the politicians at this. We want so bring our people home AND establish a stable Iraq.
HOW?
Saturday, September 04, 2004
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Before you listen to Shakes.. Read my blog post about these bills.
ReplyDeleteI checked out the FactCheck.org article and I am more than willing to concede that some of my information may be incorrect. It was interesting to read, though of course Rumsfeld will deny the return of the draft, specially this close to the election; it's political suicide.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, I offer what I know on my site and leave it up to the reader to judge whether it deems further suspicion and/or investigation. I hold personal opinions as such that I do not believe anything spoken by the current administration, but everyone else has the right to decide for themselves.
-- Alena
Sorry gang, you’re not going to want to hear this...
ReplyDeleteDo reinstate the draft. That's my opinion. It made me join the NAVY back in '66 and that was the best thing that I ever did in my life.
With those four years in the service I matured, went to college with the GI bill and simply took care of my family and myself.
Unlike my 22-year-old parasite step kid will do now.
He will always assume everything will be given to him because everything always has. "It's this generation" is what I hear.
Bullshit!
Thanks for Posting Comments.
ReplyDeleteOff all the hundreds of people that have looked at this site in reference to this legislation Only a few took the time to say anything.
About the facts, well, i have very few. Just a reference to a couple of bills.
The soldiers in Afganistan and Iraq today do seem a bit over worked. But I'm unsure that the draft would solve the problem. Afganistan has not been stable since the Soviets tried to invade back in the Reagon era. Iraq WAS stable if unpleasant. What sucks is the way these radical groups are picking off Professors and destroying culture. That applies to The US to some degree.
Anonymous, I disagree a about the draft. We do need a mandatory national service though, whether it turns out to be Navy, Coasties, or even non military should depend on the disposition of the individuals and the times. Military service is a tough job. In order to be effective, Soldiers or Sailors need to be highly trained. Every one needs to want to be there, and belive in the job they do.
If you gave people a few options about when and how they did their time, there might be less resitance to "serving ones country."
Keep Posting Though.
Bill,
ReplyDelete"A bit over worked". Man, they are dieing!
No, I'm not by any means justifying these wars. They are a true tragedy. What I am saying is this is still the best country in the world (with all it's political falts). All anyone has to do is watch the news every night to see the poverty, corruption and just plain gaggingness of most everywhere else on this globe.
What we enjoy should not be taken for granted or be expected as the norm. It should be appreciated and one way is to do ones part to earn it.
You have a good idea of a service of some sort. It may not be military service but it has to be some kind of service for what we all have and enjoy.
...of couse it is a lot easier to bitch and moan and ask mommy and daddy for help...even at 22.
> All anyone has to do is watch the news every night to see the poverty, corruption and just plain gaggingness of most everywhere else on this globe.
ReplyDeleteOkay, so my liberal side is going to show here, but um.. what about all the poverty, corruption, and just plain gaggingness in THIS COUNTRY? And yes, there's lots of it, even if they don't show it on the news.
"what about all the poverty, corruption, and just plain gaggingness in THIS COUNTRY? And yes, there's lots of it, even if they don't show it on the news."
ReplyDeleteAre you scrambling to move somewhere else (better??)?
Of course not. You sound just like my whimpering, useless step kid.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYes people die in war.
Soldiers are having their duty tours extended and they are expected to do more than just fight. They have to be the good guys too.
So do we.
That means keeping the discourse civil.
BTW Several of my friends have left the country.
They didn't love it so they left.
More money and freedom in Europe now.
Also we don't know you or your stepson.
Care to introduce youself?
Bill,
ReplyDeleteFirst I want to apologize for sounding so severe. I appreciate you allowing me to vent on your sight. This is my first attempt at “blogging”.
Please understand I am against this war. It was truly unjustified as everyone knows. But, I get my angst up when I hear folks (my idiot step-son) criticize this country. I suppose it was seeing the abject poverty in places like the Philippians, Hong Kong, Mexico and just about every other place I have ever visited. No, I have not been to Europe and I read with interest your friend’s choice to live there because “there's more money and freedom there now “.
Still, for me this wonderful country allowed me the privilege of serving it. In return I received my Electrical Engineering degree from UCSD by taking advantage of the GI bill like I mentioned earlier. With that I’ve had a successful career and have been lucky enough to invest in real estate. I now own 5 homes. Three of which are rentals and a primary and secondary (vacation camp) home. The appraised value and all is approx. $900,000.00. I tell you this not to brag. There are a lot wealthier people then I. I only mentioned this because I still pinch myself wondering how a kid from Plattsburgh, NY with not a dime in his pocket was able to do this some 40 years ago.
I doubt seriously if the opportunities that I have been blessed with are available anywhere else.
I may be wrong.
-Terry
Terry,
ReplyDeleteNo offense taken.
Words often sounds harsh in print.
I appreciate your social history.
Personal stories interest me somewhat more that political opinions, since they show the basis for an individuals position.
It is difficult to know who we're talking to in so many internet forums. Blogging is different in that we have the opportunity to control what we publish and recieve feedback and comments.
This particular post has attreacted the most attention.
For one thing there is a wave of interest in the draft as the election approaches and like all good conspiracy theories denial only makes it worse.
As it stands both parties are in a position to accuse the other of secretly trying to bring back the draft. This kind of misinformation seriously undermines our ability to debate issues in a public forum.
I have had the oppurtunity to see how other poverty looks in other countries. I visited El Salvador in '81.
Bad timing. The people I knew had tremendous wealth, even by American standards. But driving through the countryside I saw villages made of sheet metal and cinderblock. These places were owned by families like the folks I was visiting. I have trouble seeing the separation between that America and this one. There were many Americans there in advisory capacities and most wealthy families sent their kids to college in the US. (my girlfriend went to Brown.)
I'm now forty two and I have yet to figure out how to take advantage of the opportunities in this country.
Probably finishing my BA. would help.
My friends who left were (1. following the lucrative tech consulting jobs and (2. Getting married to wealthy Australians. My Techie friend always had a problem with American Culture. His family was Korean, And he felt a kind of isolation in the Amer-Asian Communities. He went to school with all the rich white kids who didn't want to hang around with him because of race. He really was seeking freedom when he left the US and I think he found it in England. He seems to resent the racial and class divisions here in part because he says that White people don't see them.
He worked very hard for his success, but still he seems bitter and even arrogant towards this country.
My point is (or should be) that We need to take a little criticism. That is the basis for democracy.
As for the stepson, When i was twenty two I got married and moved to a Religious, Work-oriented, Hippie Commune.
They put me on the construction crew and I had a lot of my whinny attitudes sanded off by hard work. Then my son died. I still feel like a victim of circumstance.
So let me ask what does stepson think he needs? besides money for beer.)
Later, Bill
BTW Thanks for your srvice, Terry
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